I'm not surprised Obama and Holder announced yesterday that they will be putting the 9/11 terrorists on trial through the military. In fact...I think that was their intention all along.
The progressives do a lot of "nudging". Put the camel's nose under the tent. They instigate and push people and help drive their agenda forward. They've spent the past three decades working on this strategy and it has been paying off. We can thank the terrorists Weather Underground and other assorted 1960s hippies for that.
Remember how OUTRAGED people were when Holder announced that the Gitmo prisoners would be tried in federal court in NYC? It started the entire Ground Zero roller coaster and Obama discovered quickly that this was not popular and most people thought he was insane. A big chunk of support came from the anti-war crowd who irrationally hated George Bush and for whatever irrational reason hated Gitmo. Remember all those "freedom/liberty/justice" folks back in the day? Where have those people gone? Did they just forget about it? It doesn't matter now because Obama is president I guess. See, it was not a REAL issue for them. It was an AGENDA DRIVEN issue.
Just like the polar bears drive the global warming issue. The Utopian Left uses symbols. The 9/11 trials being moved to federal court in NYC was not popular but it introducded the entire "Islamaphobia" agenda.
Which ties in with the "RAAACIST" agenda. See the issue really isn't about racism. It's just a great way to isolate and label your opponent. Calling people RAACIST used to be shocking and horrible. Now it's not thanks to Obama. Now it's just a joke. So if you DO actually suffer from racism (which certainly exists) when you call people out for it YOU will look bad because now people see the likes of Al Sharpton and think you're just being a jerk.
It was never really about bringing the 9/11 terrorists to trial in NYC. It was about the "Islamaphobia" agenda. And guess what?? Now that the news media completely ignored it...(Anything that reflects on Obama badly automatically gets forgotten by the PRAVDAVITES remember)...Obama can come back completely out of nowhere during campaign season and say "Hey...Let's try the terrorists in Military court after all" and he looks like a hero, right? Forget the fact that he completely dumped on all the anti-Gitmo people who dogged George Bush....I guess they were fake to begin with. Just like the polar bear issue the Gitmo issue was just made up and really did not exist but it was a great tool to use to further their agenda.
So I predict a lot of things Obama did to get a rise out of people....will be walked back now in the name of "compromise". He wants to look like Mr. Bipartisan when in reality it was just a political game. The wasted time spent on nonsense for agenda sake doesn't matter.
Obama is going to be doing a lot of posturing and lying and smiling and telepromptering....and getting NOTHING done. Another 18 months of wasted time in Washington, DC. Too bad we can't get him to walk back Obamacare.
11:00 a.m. UPDATE:
http://bigpeace.com/driehl/2011/04/05/aolhuffington-post-slander-ex-marine-ilario-pantano-to-tout-controversial-imam/
Slandering our military. As I've mentioned before this has become a sport with the liberal lawyers that have infiltrated our military. They've made it so hostile in fact people I know are saying people are hesitant to even fight the war because they're afraid some liberal lawyer is jump out from behind a rock and charge them with something. It has been happening a long time now, gotten worse over the past decade. It needs to stop.
Tuesday, April 5, 2011
Monday, April 4, 2011
PRAVDAVITES - Resistance Is Fu-Tile.
PRAVDAVITES: Similar to the Borg in Star Trek, their main mission is to asimmilate into the collective. They are programmed to repeat over and over progressive far-left Utopian propaganda that are the main talking points of the Democratic party. They generally do not engage in debate as they rarely know what the issues actually are. They are set to automatically shut down true conversation with specifically designed slander and slogans.
Considered to be harmless but large in number. When encountering a Pravdavite it is best just to identify them and leave alone. They will continue to circulate within the collective and are usually not dangerous. However, it is occasionally fun to engage them just for the fun of it. Pravdavites only watch one or two Utopian Left news channels and nothing else.
Considered to be harmless but large in number. When encountering a Pravdavite it is best just to identify them and leave alone. They will continue to circulate within the collective and are usually not dangerous. However, it is occasionally fun to engage them just for the fun of it. Pravdavites only watch one or two Utopian Left news channels and nothing else.
The Sheeple
Given my Blog is about sheeple...I thought I'd start this day talking about it.
I have a "friend" on facebook who is the textbook example of a sheeple. He calls the Tea Party fascists. He basically hates the Republicans but will deny it. He says the far right are racist and fascist although he can't give an example of it. He says we're communists but he can't explain why. He says he watches very little news but then sits and slanders and calls the conservatives nasty names all day but denies he is a parrot or an Obamabot. Even though every word out of his mouth is just talking points from the progressive left. You could basically match word for word everything he says with Keith Olbermann or Chris Matthews or any of the other far-left thugs on the PRAVDA news and the amazing thing....When you tell him that he has no idea what you're talking about. He does not know what "progressive" is.
If I do get him to debate an issue (which is hard because he doesn't really even know what the issues are) he gets angry, deletes the posts, and then just calls me names and then accuses the right of slander.
So I thought to myself....What a PERFECT example of what sheeple are.
I am the first to admit I am a conservative. Without a doubt. But I have liberal leanings. I am not uber-religious. I have no issues with gay people. In fact my son is gay. But I will admit it has been a learning process. I do not know any single conservative person who hates gay people because they are gay. I do not know any conservatives who are openly racist. We're all racist to a point obviously...but I do not know anyone openly, blatantly racist. But my point is this: I know more open minded people in the Tea Party and GOP than I EVER knew on the left. The Democratic party has become so intolerant of anybody who dares think differently that you can't even have a conversation anymore. They do not discuss the issues. They can't. They just shut down and become angry. In the Tea Party I know conservatives, liberals, Libertarians, I know people with a million different backgrounds.
I have been doing politics for a very long time. I've watched closely the back and forth since Ronald Reagan defeated Jimmy Carter. In the past ten years there has been a very huge shift in the Democratic dynamic and that shift is towards "progressive ideals". The liberals are no longer liberal...they are socialist. The far-left has taken over the Democratic party. The strange part is...regular liberals don't know what that means.
We have an uphill climb to educate people and we have to do it on a wide scale. Unlike the progressives, we do not have to use baseball bats and shoot people. We just have to educate them. We have to help them get past the propaganda. The progressives have done a very good job of taking over the alphabet news and liberals are set in their ways. They like to sit and watch their one news program and think they are informed. So we have to get past the progressive murk and help these people out.
We have to counter the slander. We have to call them out when they lie. We have to push back when they try to put us in a box and label us. The progressives like to intimidate because they know the conservatives will walk away. We have to stop walking away.
The majority of sheeple are harmless....we have to remember that. I do believe that most can be saved if we take the time to educate them. We don't have to resort to the mafia tactics the left does. We don't have to hate everybody. We don't have to call people names. We just have to chip away at the bubble....and hope they wake up.
UPDATE: I am going to coin this group of people with a simple term: PRAVDAVITES. Pravdavites are sheeple who, like the Borg of Star Trek, assimilate into the collective for the "greater good". Their main mission is to just repeat the far-left talking points that the mainstream media wants them to say. They do not engage in rational conversation or debate. They just repeat the talking points. They don't want to actually be educated about relevant issues. They only serve as low-level robots for the progressive left.
I have a "friend" on facebook who is the textbook example of a sheeple. He calls the Tea Party fascists. He basically hates the Republicans but will deny it. He says the far right are racist and fascist although he can't give an example of it. He says we're communists but he can't explain why. He says he watches very little news but then sits and slanders and calls the conservatives nasty names all day but denies he is a parrot or an Obamabot. Even though every word out of his mouth is just talking points from the progressive left. You could basically match word for word everything he says with Keith Olbermann or Chris Matthews or any of the other far-left thugs on the PRAVDA news and the amazing thing....When you tell him that he has no idea what you're talking about. He does not know what "progressive" is.
If I do get him to debate an issue (which is hard because he doesn't really even know what the issues are) he gets angry, deletes the posts, and then just calls me names and then accuses the right of slander.
So I thought to myself....What a PERFECT example of what sheeple are.
I am the first to admit I am a conservative. Without a doubt. But I have liberal leanings. I am not uber-religious. I have no issues with gay people. In fact my son is gay. But I will admit it has been a learning process. I do not know any single conservative person who hates gay people because they are gay. I do not know any conservatives who are openly racist. We're all racist to a point obviously...but I do not know anyone openly, blatantly racist. But my point is this: I know more open minded people in the Tea Party and GOP than I EVER knew on the left. The Democratic party has become so intolerant of anybody who dares think differently that you can't even have a conversation anymore. They do not discuss the issues. They can't. They just shut down and become angry. In the Tea Party I know conservatives, liberals, Libertarians, I know people with a million different backgrounds.
I have been doing politics for a very long time. I've watched closely the back and forth since Ronald Reagan defeated Jimmy Carter. In the past ten years there has been a very huge shift in the Democratic dynamic and that shift is towards "progressive ideals". The liberals are no longer liberal...they are socialist. The far-left has taken over the Democratic party. The strange part is...regular liberals don't know what that means.
We have an uphill climb to educate people and we have to do it on a wide scale. Unlike the progressives, we do not have to use baseball bats and shoot people. We just have to educate them. We have to help them get past the propaganda. The progressives have done a very good job of taking over the alphabet news and liberals are set in their ways. They like to sit and watch their one news program and think they are informed. So we have to get past the progressive murk and help these people out.
We have to counter the slander. We have to call them out when they lie. We have to push back when they try to put us in a box and label us. The progressives like to intimidate because they know the conservatives will walk away. We have to stop walking away.
The majority of sheeple are harmless....we have to remember that. I do believe that most can be saved if we take the time to educate them. We don't have to resort to the mafia tactics the left does. We don't have to hate everybody. We don't have to call people names. We just have to chip away at the bubble....and hope they wake up.
UPDATE: I am going to coin this group of people with a simple term: PRAVDAVITES. Pravdavites are sheeple who, like the Borg of Star Trek, assimilate into the collective for the "greater good". Their main mission is to just repeat the far-left talking points that the mainstream media wants them to say. They do not engage in rational conversation or debate. They just repeat the talking points. They don't want to actually be educated about relevant issues. They only serve as low-level robots for the progressive left.
Sunday, April 3, 2011
Sunday, April 3, 2011
It's a quiet morning so far. That always makes me wonder what the news people are up to. Amazing how they all go quiet at the same time, isn't it? Makes you realize how coordinated they are despite them taking swipes at each other.
Which leads me to an important point. The regular news media, whether it's the right or left, has the same objective even if they are on different sides politically and people need to realize that. They want your attention. Ratings are money.
http://www.france24.com/en/20110403-ivory-coast-france-takes-over-abidjan-airport-boosts-peacekeepers-unoci
This concerns me greatly. With all the turmoil going on right now the last thing we need to do is get involved in civil wars in Africa. Is George Clooney involved in this? Has this Libya thing been a lead in to more involvement in conflicts we have no business being involved in? Obama already has no clue what he is doing and it's becoming abundantly clear he is flying by the seat of his pants. Let's hope he gets busy adoring himself and campaigning for re-election and doesn't throw us into more unjustified situations.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/03/boehner-wants-to-pass-spending-cuts-with-gop-alone/
Boehner is listening to us. That's the important thing here. Republicans handed over the country in the mid-2000's because they were intimidated by Piglosi and her ilk. They didn't even fight for it. The time for compromise is OVER. The Dems do not want to compromise or do anything bipartisan. They only want to play games and play politics and screw with us. They are THUGS. We elected the Republicans in November to go put a stop the "work together" nonsense and thank you, Speaker Boehner, for listening.
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Samantha-Power-to-be-next-Secretary-of-State-119112959.html
Well there's another amazing coincidence. I just mentioned George Clooney and here he is. I KNEW it. If my instincts are right Obama is about to drag us into civil wars in Africa that we have no business getting involved in. Celebrity activists and Hollywood stars with money and way too much influence.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/03/harry-reid-agrees-to-73-billion-in-cuts/
This is Liberal Media Spin 101. It is all a lie and CBS is just sitting there letting him lie. No challenge even though Boehner has said over and over every single day there has never been an agreement.
And Reid saying Republicans are hurting "poor little children"...CRY ME A FREAKING RIVER. That is total nonsense. There are days I swear we live in the old Soviet Union. Our news media has to be held accountable for the blantant hipocrisy.
Which leads me to an important point. The regular news media, whether it's the right or left, has the same objective even if they are on different sides politically and people need to realize that. They want your attention. Ratings are money.
http://www.france24.com/en/20110403-ivory-coast-france-takes-over-abidjan-airport-boosts-peacekeepers-unoci
This concerns me greatly. With all the turmoil going on right now the last thing we need to do is get involved in civil wars in Africa. Is George Clooney involved in this? Has this Libya thing been a lead in to more involvement in conflicts we have no business being involved in? Obama already has no clue what he is doing and it's becoming abundantly clear he is flying by the seat of his pants. Let's hope he gets busy adoring himself and campaigning for re-election and doesn't throw us into more unjustified situations.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/03/boehner-wants-to-pass-spending-cuts-with-gop-alone/
Boehner is listening to us. That's the important thing here. Republicans handed over the country in the mid-2000's because they were intimidated by Piglosi and her ilk. They didn't even fight for it. The time for compromise is OVER. The Dems do not want to compromise or do anything bipartisan. They only want to play games and play politics and screw with us. They are THUGS. We elected the Republicans in November to go put a stop the "work together" nonsense and thank you, Speaker Boehner, for listening.
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Samantha-Power-to-be-next-Secretary-of-State-119112959.html
Well there's another amazing coincidence. I just mentioned George Clooney and here he is. I KNEW it. If my instincts are right Obama is about to drag us into civil wars in Africa that we have no business getting involved in. Celebrity activists and Hollywood stars with money and way too much influence.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/03/harry-reid-agrees-to-73-billion-in-cuts/
This is Liberal Media Spin 101. It is all a lie and CBS is just sitting there letting him lie. No challenge even though Boehner has said over and over every single day there has never been an agreement.
And Reid saying Republicans are hurting "poor little children"...CRY ME A FREAKING RIVER. That is total nonsense. There are days I swear we live in the old Soviet Union. Our news media has to be held accountable for the blantant hipocrisy.
Saturday, April 2, 2011
Saturday, April 2, 2011
Happy Saturday friends! You know, I do like this format better. I don't feel like I have to focus on one issue in one story for the day. Of course I was inspired by Kevin's open thread on Hillbuzz.org. All of you...have you created your blogs yet? You need to do it. We all have our groups of friends. We need to spread the word. We are the conservative news media. US. YOU and ME. The more of us the merrier.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/02/republicans-question-obamacare%e2%80%99s-5-billion-early-retiree-%e2%80%98slush-fund%e2%80%99/
This just makes me mad. The Democratic party has become so corrupt there is no longer a true Democratic party. It's just a group of socialist mafia thugs stealing our money. 1) I am angry that the true liberals allowed their party to be taken over by such corrupt people. 2) I am angry that the Republican party of the mid-2000's gave up and handed our government over without so much as a fight. NEVER AGAIN.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/critical-condition-dodgers-fans-unleash-savage-beating-on-rival-fan/
It's a sad day in sports. More evidence that we have to get off this hate train we're on.
I think the Republican candidate needs to hop on the "We need to come together" train. The successful candidate (either side) is going to be the one that brings us back from this divided state we're in and bring us together. People are tired of it. It takes a lot more effort and energy to hate than it does to be at peace. If people want peace so much then why does it seem so impossible?
Why? Because we have professionals out there teaching us how to hate eachother. Professionals who know how to milk the media and Hollywood to get your money and attention. I think we're ripe for some good old fashioned happiness. What do you think?
http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/02/republicans-question-obamacare%e2%80%99s-5-billion-early-retiree-%e2%80%98slush-fund%e2%80%99/
This just makes me mad. The Democratic party has become so corrupt there is no longer a true Democratic party. It's just a group of socialist mafia thugs stealing our money. 1) I am angry that the true liberals allowed their party to be taken over by such corrupt people. 2) I am angry that the Republican party of the mid-2000's gave up and handed our government over without so much as a fight. NEVER AGAIN.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/critical-condition-dodgers-fans-unleash-savage-beating-on-rival-fan/
It's a sad day in sports. More evidence that we have to get off this hate train we're on.
I think the Republican candidate needs to hop on the "We need to come together" train. The successful candidate (either side) is going to be the one that brings us back from this divided state we're in and bring us together. People are tired of it. It takes a lot more effort and energy to hate than it does to be at peace. If people want peace so much then why does it seem so impossible?
Why? Because we have professionals out there teaching us how to hate eachother. Professionals who know how to milk the media and Hollywood to get your money and attention. I think we're ripe for some good old fashioned happiness. What do you think?
Friday, April 1, 2011
Today, April 1, 2011
I am going to start putting a thread up every day that allows me to post links to the stories that interest me most that I want people to see. If you have any suggestions please let me know. The more people adding to the spot the better! Spreading the word is the objective of course:
I will update this thread as the day progresses so check back later.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/03/uncovered-new-2-billion-bailout-obamacare
More union payback. The reason our country is going bankrupt.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/hello-communist-party-calling-a-new-reason-to-be-on-the-do-not-dial-list/
It kinda reminds me of the Nigerian email scam...and just the same...there are pathetic souls who fall for it.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/01/felony-charges-filed-against-teacher-in-wi-e-mail-death-threats/
If this had been a Tea Party supporter and she sent death threats to Pelosi during the Obamacare debacle would they have arrested her? Ask yourself honestly. This would have been FRONT PAGE news and all the alphabet news media would be blasting the conservatives for "VIOLENT RHETORIC" for weeks. Instead...This "lady" gets no news coverage at all and they did not even arrest her.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/01/white-house-misses-deadline-on-issa-subpoenas-for-project-gunrunner-documents/
I wonder where Obama's buck stops? This is just one of those fun items you cheer about because if nothing else it will be a complete pain in the ass to Obama and the more we can annoy him the happier I am.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/investigations-find-unprecedented-politi-0
Issa doing what we elected him to do...Of course the news media won't tell people that. That's why we're here. Spread the news.
I will update this thread as the day progresses so check back later.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/03/uncovered-new-2-billion-bailout-obamacare
More union payback. The reason our country is going bankrupt.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/hello-communist-party-calling-a-new-reason-to-be-on-the-do-not-dial-list/
It kinda reminds me of the Nigerian email scam...and just the same...there are pathetic souls who fall for it.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/01/felony-charges-filed-against-teacher-in-wi-e-mail-death-threats/
If this had been a Tea Party supporter and she sent death threats to Pelosi during the Obamacare debacle would they have arrested her? Ask yourself honestly. This would have been FRONT PAGE news and all the alphabet news media would be blasting the conservatives for "VIOLENT RHETORIC" for weeks. Instead...This "lady" gets no news coverage at all and they did not even arrest her.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/01/white-house-misses-deadline-on-issa-subpoenas-for-project-gunrunner-documents/
I wonder where Obama's buck stops? This is just one of those fun items you cheer about because if nothing else it will be a complete pain in the ass to Obama and the more we can annoy him the happier I am.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/investigations-find-unprecedented-politi-0
Issa doing what we elected him to do...Of course the news media won't tell people that. That's why we're here. Spread the news.
More Green Puts Green In THEIR Pockets
Global warming. The greatest ponzi scam on earth. $60 trillion dollars is the estimated amount that the "green" movement is passing around amongst each other. They took something as unpredictable and unprovable as the weather, threw in some cute polar bears, some pictures of dead fish...and there you have it. A class of progressive socialists rolling around in OUR money laughing all the way to the bank.
Not that the socialists here in the states were smart enough to come up with this all by themselves. They just hijacked a fruit loop populist movement in Europe and made it corrupt and their own. Al Gore, Fruit Loop #1, we can thank for that. And where is he? Laughing his way to his billion dollar bank account. Sitting on the beach at his million dollar mansion. Remember...the beach that would flood and drown everybody and he bought a million dollar mansion there.
So over the summer we discover that our dishwashers don't work. Countless people had this problem. I am sure the dishwasher repair industry truly appreciated the liberals in Washington State who passed a law that they didn't even think they could pass because it was so stupid. But they did. It took the cleaning solution OUT of dishwasher detergent. Guess what? If there is no cleaning solution in it DISHES DON'T GET CLEAN. So what do we have to do? We have to go out and buy "green products" that finish the cleaning process so our dishes get clean.
Anybody notice that their clothes are harder to wash? Spots and what not are not coming out? You have to go out and buy a "green product" to get those pits clean now.
Notice your bar soap won't get all foamy and soapy and fun to play with in the shower?
We need a new law in Washington. Politicians should not be able to PROFIT from the legislation they pass. I know, I know, that would be almost impossible to do but....We should try it.
The entire "green movement" is corrupt to begin with. It is based on junk science that is full of crap. It's a bunch of hippy scientists who GET MONEY to sit on their ass at some university and "ponder" nonsense. They have proven NOTHING. Yet these liberal lawmakers are passing laws and buying shares in companies that benefit from those laws....and they are getting rich.
And we are not.
Of course this has been happening since the beginning of time but now the money has gotten bigger and the impact larger. It affects the entire country. Some lawmaker (like say...OUR GOVERNMENT) who has ownership/shares in say...GENERAL MOTORS...can start a wild RUMOR like...Oh, I don't know....TOYOTA...that would hurt Toyota (although Americans weren't that stupid after all....everybody knows Japanese cars are better) and cause GM cars to sell more.
So at what point have they crossed the line? When the news media is so in the tank and bought off and paid for by people like George Soros who PROFIT from these tactics how can we be reasonably sure ANYTHING is the truth? When our own president goes to Brazil to work deals for billionaires making billions on oil shouldn't we be alarmed? When unions harass, intimidate, and threaten the lives of lawmakers so that THEY can take people's money and keep a political party in POWER.....at what point do we say that's enough??
There are big bucks being made these days by politicians and political parties. We have to figure out how to get that money back into OUR hands and OUT of theirs.
Not that the socialists here in the states were smart enough to come up with this all by themselves. They just hijacked a fruit loop populist movement in Europe and made it corrupt and their own. Al Gore, Fruit Loop #1, we can thank for that. And where is he? Laughing his way to his billion dollar bank account. Sitting on the beach at his million dollar mansion. Remember...the beach that would flood and drown everybody and he bought a million dollar mansion there.
So over the summer we discover that our dishwashers don't work. Countless people had this problem. I am sure the dishwasher repair industry truly appreciated the liberals in Washington State who passed a law that they didn't even think they could pass because it was so stupid. But they did. It took the cleaning solution OUT of dishwasher detergent. Guess what? If there is no cleaning solution in it DISHES DON'T GET CLEAN. So what do we have to do? We have to go out and buy "green products" that finish the cleaning process so our dishes get clean.
Anybody notice that their clothes are harder to wash? Spots and what not are not coming out? You have to go out and buy a "green product" to get those pits clean now.
Notice your bar soap won't get all foamy and soapy and fun to play with in the shower?
We need a new law in Washington. Politicians should not be able to PROFIT from the legislation they pass. I know, I know, that would be almost impossible to do but....We should try it.
The entire "green movement" is corrupt to begin with. It is based on junk science that is full of crap. It's a bunch of hippy scientists who GET MONEY to sit on their ass at some university and "ponder" nonsense. They have proven NOTHING. Yet these liberal lawmakers are passing laws and buying shares in companies that benefit from those laws....and they are getting rich.
And we are not.
Of course this has been happening since the beginning of time but now the money has gotten bigger and the impact larger. It affects the entire country. Some lawmaker (like say...OUR GOVERNMENT) who has ownership/shares in say...GENERAL MOTORS...can start a wild RUMOR like...Oh, I don't know....TOYOTA...that would hurt Toyota (although Americans weren't that stupid after all....everybody knows Japanese cars are better) and cause GM cars to sell more.
So at what point have they crossed the line? When the news media is so in the tank and bought off and paid for by people like George Soros who PROFIT from these tactics how can we be reasonably sure ANYTHING is the truth? When our own president goes to Brazil to work deals for billionaires making billions on oil shouldn't we be alarmed? When unions harass, intimidate, and threaten the lives of lawmakers so that THEY can take people's money and keep a political party in POWER.....at what point do we say that's enough??
There are big bucks being made these days by politicians and political parties. We have to figure out how to get that money back into OUR hands and OUT of theirs.
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